Baretta 3032 Tomcat

[teagal]

Seriously thinking about one of these.
Anyone seen, fired or thought about getting one?

[Wolfar]

That my gal friend is exactly what I pointed out that you might like in the other thread.

It has a tip up barrel so you don't have to jack the slide. I have heard nothing but good about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_a_3hOs7Xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buH0KPqPrzw

[glenn]

OUCH  !

oh ... sorry.

[Wolfar]

OUCH  !

oh ... sorry.

You have to understand she can handle a Mini Mag but not the recoil of a Guardian.

Thus the tip up barrel. NAA does not make such a gun.

She loves NAA mini's but can't handle a lot of recoil.

[OV-1D]

Hey there teagal buy with confidence that Beretta . Myself the 25 cal. is enough . Just be careful when shooting those slides will catch  your hand if your not watching your handhold . Get use to gripping it before you go shooting , don't want to scare you , nothing to worry about just realize that slide comes back on you .

[glenn]

You have to understand she can handle a Mini Mag but not the recoil of a Guardian.

Thus the tip up barrel. NAA does not make such a gun.

She loves NAA mini's but can't handle a lot of recoil.

Thus ...  the tip up barrel produces less recoil ?

The OUCH wasn't anything about recoil ... it was the result of accidently clicking on the following picture & following instructions.
Yeah .. I'm not very smart.

[Wolfar]

You have to understand she can handle a Mini Mag but not the recoil of a Guardian.

Thus the tip up barrel. NAA does not make such a gun.

She loves NAA mini's but can't handle a lot of recoil.

Thus ...  the tip up barrel produces less recoil ?

The OUCH wasn't anything about recoil ... it was the result of accidently clicking on the following picture & following instructions.
Yeah .. I'm not very smart.

I guess me no so smart either.... LMAO I meant to say she can't jack the slide very well and has recoil issues.

Thus tip up barrel as in those youtube clips no need to jack the slide to get it working.

[designergrips]

I keep one in the center console of my car and I like it a lot. It is an easy shooting gun and mine has been 100% dependable up till now.

Seriously thinking about one of these.
Anyone seen, fired or thought about getting one?

[ikoiko]

Wow

[teagal]

That my gal friend is exactly what I pointed out that you might like in the other thread.

It has a tip up barrel so you don't have to jack the slide. I have heard nothing but good about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_a_3hOs7Xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buH0KPqPrzw

Great! I wasn't sure if this was the one.
My brother (an ex law enforcer) also said it would probably be good for me.
I read nothing bad about it either and the price is good.
Thanks!

[teagal]

OUCH  !

oh ... sorry.

You have to understand she can handle a Mini Mag but not the recoil of a Guardian.

Thus the tip up barrel. NAA does not make such a gun.

She loves NAA mini's but can't handle a lot of recoil.

Thank you -- You really were paying attention.
I did see NAA's version but like you said, no tip up barrel.

[ikoiko]

There is another thread with more info. "Small reliable SA/DA .  .  . With some discussion on the Tomcat, its past problems . . .

[Wolfar]

There is another thread with more info. "Small reliable SA/DA .  .  . With some discussion on the Tomcat, its past problems . . .

You are correct sir. But since then they have withdrawn all the original Tomcats that the frame would crack (if that is what your referring to?) with the Inox's. These have more robust frames a small bit heavier than the original but no more cracked frames.

http://www.beretta.com/Defence-Pistols-Carbines/Defence/Pocket-Pistols/3032-Tomcat-Inox/index.aspx?m=82&f=2&id=777

[ikoiko]

Was linking to other post for academic reasons (used guns and here say. Also some 1st hand with the tip up).

[heyjoe]

you might want to look into a beretta 950bs. its smaller, lighter, cheaper and being a 25 acp , it holds more rounds and has much less recoil than the 32 acp. it will be easier for you to control and place quick accurate follow up shots. you can pick one up  in very good condition for $175.00 easily.

[Wolfar]

Was linking to other post for academic reasons (used guns and here say. Also some 1st hand with the tip up).

Got to agree with you there. If you buy an older Tomcat you might have one of the weak frame ones...... Be careful about that. But everything I saw after it cracked they sent it back to Beretta and they sent them back a brand new Inox version.

[Wolfar]

you might want to look into a beretta 950bs. its smaller, lighter, cheaper and being a 25 acp , it holds more rounds and has much less recoil than the 32 acp. it will be easier for you to control and place quick accurate follow up shots. you can pick one up  in very good condition for $175.00 easily.

I think a .22 mag would be better than a .25 auto. Just my 2 cents worth. Here is what my Uncle had to say about his .25 auto. For what ever it is worth anyway.

I didn't mention that I also have, what I call, an ankle gun. It's a Sterling .25 auto (picture attached). The .25 caliber is near useless. The bullets won't even go through a tin garbage can, so it can't do much damage. No stopping power whatsoever. But it is threatening and compact as heck. I did take out a raccoon a few years ago with it. No big deal!  It was sick, so I just put it out of its misery.

[teagal]

I keep one in the center console of my car and I like it a lot. It is an easy shooting gun and mine has been 100% dependable up till now.

Seriously thinking about one of these.
Anyone seen, fired or thought about getting one?

Up until now? What do you mean by that?

[teagal]

you might want to look into a beretta 950bs. its smaller, lighter, cheaper and being a 25 acp , it holds more rounds and has much less recoil than the 32 acp. it will be easier for you to control and place quick accurate follow up shots. you can pick one up  in very good condition for $175.00 easily.

Thanks heyjoe!
Is the recoil about the same as the .22 mag?

[OV-1D]

Much less there teagal . The 25 beretta is a good balance in weight for the size of the load . Shoots easy and smooth like Joe said .

[heyjoe]

the recoil is a  less on the beretta 950.  there is more to hold onto than the mini revolver. it can very rapidly fire 9 rounds. trigger pull is decent very dependable. there are a few decent 25acp rounds out there, hornady xtp,the winchester super x expandijg point, and speer gold dot. 

it is also called the beretta jetfire

[teagal]

Thanks guys! I'll keep my eye out for one.

[Wolfar]

Like My Uncle said it wont penetrate a tin garbage can.....

The thing that gets me is that you pay more for a box of 25 than you do for 9mm. To me the 25 is the worst cartridge made. The 22 and the 22 magnums are far superior in every aspect.

MANY reasons to stick with a .22 mag over a .25 ACP. I now have stats, JHP best out there is 8.5 inches of pen at best. FMJ is 10 inches. Foot pounds of energy for the most part is LESS yes LESS than a good .22 MAG round!

I would contend that the .22 mag and the .32 auto are at least on par with each other and the .32 comes out a bit higher in foot pounds of energy with FMJ or a HOT JHP....

[OV-1D]

The 22 magnum was designed as a rifle round and feels like one in a small handgun .

[heyjoe]

Wolfar there are many people taking dirt naps today as a result of 25 acp.
As she has said, Teagal is looking for something easy to control, light recoil, and easy to operate. shot placement trumps caliber every time.  9 rounds aint bad either.

[Wolfar]

Fair enough lets look at it.

.25ACP

# of people shot - 68
# of hits - 150
% of hits that were fatal - 25%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.2
% of people who were not incapacitated - 35%
One-shot-stop % - 30%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 62%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 49%


.32 (both .32 Long and .32 ACP)

# of people shot - 25
# of hits - 38
% of hits that were fatal - 21%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.52
% of people who were not incapacitated - 40%
One-shot-stop % - 40%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 78%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 72%


.22 (short, long and long rifle)

# of people shot - 154
# of hits - 213
% of hits that were fatal - 34%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.38
% of people who were not incapacitated - 31%
One-shot-stop % - 31%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 76%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 60%

[Wolfar]

The 22 magnum was designed as a rifle round and feels like one in a small handgun .

IMHO,,, that can be said in the past but not with today's rounds like the PDX1 .22 mag JHP @ 1295 FPS out of a 2" barrel.

[RogueTS1]

Do not forget the Jetfire is a single action auto. I have some experience with the .22 versions of these Berettas and it is all good once you polish the feed ramp and find a good hot ammo that it likes. Only negative in my opinion is the lack of an extractor. Rarely does this come into play but when it does one must remember the manual of arms to get it back in the fight is a little different than one's usual auto. If one can deal with this these small autos are top shelf.

[teagal]

Okay-Okay!
I'm convinced.
I love my mini blackjack and will keep him
tucked in my waistband forever and ever amen.

[RogueTS1]

I would say, use both. Black Jack and Beretta. Best of both worlds.

[boone123]

I have a couple of Beretta 950s in 22 short,and a couple of 22LRs in model  21A. None has an extractor, so in case of a miss fire Racking the slide to clear the chamber doesn't work. Sometimes in the 21A it even will leave an fired case in the chamber. With no extractor, in any case the shell, or caseing has to be poked or pried out. I assume the Tomcat, with the tip.up barrel , also does not have an extractor. When plinking that wouldn't matter, as a carry gun, it might. Center fires are more dependable.

[Wolfar]

Boone you are correct in you assessment of the tip up barrel there is no extractor.

Like I stated before as well. I plan on getting another carry gun when I am not working. At work I have to have a SMALL footprint gun. The BW fits that purpose. But I am NEVER going to carry some Glock 9mm it is just too dang bulky. So a small light .32 or .380 is where I go next.

This is the .32 Tomcat.

Reliability

Like its bigger brothers, the Tomcat features an open-top slide which appears to have a positive effect on reliability. Particularly unusual is that the Tomcat has no extractor. Gas pressure alone clears the empty shell casing from the chamber. No matter, we've found this gun to be exceptionally reliable like its portlier cousins. Standard power practice loads and high-powered self defense loads operate consistently to the point of boring in the Tomcat.

[RogueTS1]

Most of the time one just hits the barrel tip lever and the round or casing is ejected from the chamber. Great little guns.

[ikoiko]

That's what I recall from my .22 short beretta, but it's been so long, I couldn't say for certain (re barrel tips up, shell flys out).

[heyjoe]

The 22 magnum was designed as a rifle round and feels like one in a small handgun .

IMHO,,, that can be said in the past but not with today's rounds like the PDX1 .22 mag JHP @ 1295 FPS out of a 2" barrel.

1295 fps means nothing if you miss because you cant control the gun.