Was it a good Christmas ?

TwoGunJayne · January-07-14 11:01

Rifle bullets tend to be .458-ish and a .44 pistol could be anywhere from .454 to .440. The sabot might or might not be too tight a fit. Bad fit = bad accuracy as the sabot can't transfer spin to the bullet. You want it a little snug, but it shouldn't risk blowing up the gun even with the worst combination. Plastic is very giving.

Got mine from Cheaper than Dirt back before the crazy. They had an excellent selection, but none were very well described in the product info. Reviews were gold for that.

I have the black plastic ones for the .451. I was tempted by the ones for 9mm, but didn't bite so I can't comment on how well they work. If I recall clearly, the orange ones they had at the time were for the .458 rifle bullets. I may be mistaken.

Worst case: low velocity due to low back pressure and poor accuracy due to not enough spin.
Best case: share centerfire reloading components with your frontstuffers. Works for me.

cfsharry · January-07-14 12:01

2GJ,
I believe you are confusing 45 caliber bullets with 44s. I believe 44 caliber bullets run .427 - .430. Think you would find that if you tried to seat the bullets you are calling 44 caliber into a 44 case you would find it to be a tight fit and if you did get it to seat you might be in for a real interesting time when firing it through a 44 caliber gun.

OV-1D · January-07-14 12:01

Quote from: cfsharry on January-07-14 12:01
2GJ,
I believe you are confusing 45 caliber bullets with 44s. I believe 44 caliber bullets run .427 - .430. Think you would find that if you tried to seat the bullets you are calling 44 caliber into a 44 case you would find it to be a tight fit and if you did get it to seat you might be in for a real interesting time when firing it through a 44 caliber gun.

You got that right .

TwoGunJayne · January-07-14 13:01

.44 black powder converts to .45 LC with a cylinder swap.

We all know that the naming conventions have little to do with actual bullet diameter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_colt

.45 colt is listed as ".454" for cast lead yet the black powder revolvers are often referred to as ".44."

.454 casull and .460 are sometimes loaded with .451 jacketed bullets, yet also loaded with .454 cast unjacketed lead, depending on the barrel, depends greatly upon the gun.

.45 big game rifles can definitely be .458. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70 .458 Rem mag, etc...

Then again, when you're dealing with plastic sabot in a .50 barrel, there is some leeway due to plastic squish. I agree with you that if we loaded these bullets into casings through a true diameter barrel without sabot that we will definitely encounter some issues.

There are plastic sabot to fire all of these through a .50 BP gun. Subcaliber. I love sabot and subcaliber stuff. So cool...

cfsharry · January-07-14 20:01

We also know that bullet diameter has everything to do with the cartridge case it is designed to fit. That is the reason the .451 diameter bullet is not, in reality, a .44 rifle bullet.

glenn · January-07-14 21:01

Maybe his copy/paste button got damaged in the cold ?

TwoGunJayne · January-08-14 14:01

Sorry for confusion, I have plenty to go around. My point was that Remington said in the 1800s that .45 is .44. I was referencing the oldies. Some .45 is almost .46. Close enough for government work. (.45-70 government work, that is.)

Someone should hold gun makers to task and make them have the cartridge names have something to do with a measurement...

G50AE · January-11-14 22:01

Quote from: TwoGunJayne on January-08-14 14:01
Someone should hold gun makers to task and make them have the cartridge names have something to do with a measurement...

Not likely to happen any time soon.