What .22lr Ammo Do You Actually Carry?

[ikoiko]

Here's a post of a hog taken with a .30 pellet. 15 yard head shot.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1378329026/Bobcat+takes+wild+boar+(GRAPHIC)

I was trying to find posts by Manny (nomadic pirate) as he is a very prolific hog hunter and is the go to guy for questions related to their hunt and kill. Very knowledgeable on Evanix air rifles and others.

Pretty sure they prefer to take shots at 20 yards and under for pigs. Not certain though.

Pyramid air is the US importer for evanix. 
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_rifles/Precharged_pneumatic_PCP/155/Evanix/brands_93

[cfsharry]

ikoiko,
Holy crap!  When you're talking airguns I was not thinking prices in excess of what you would pay for a fairly decent AR. Once I got over the sticker shock these guns started to look really interesting.  Seems like they are pretty well engineered and constructed.
Do you own one or have you used one?  How much of a pain to recharge the canister? Lots of questions. Have to do my homework.

[ikoiko]

The pain is mainly in initial costs. You can fill with them with special hand pumps. I bought a High Pressure Air tank, and get it filled at a scuba shop. Some fire departments will will your tank, mine won't.

I have a few PCPs (pre charged pneumatic). I like my Fx Revolution in 22 a lot. Also like my Logun s16s in 22.

You can definitely spend huge amounts on guns. If you get addicted, it can make a Mini addiction look, uh, small.

Hers another forum. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=forum

TedsHoldOver has some good info and nice videos   http://tedsholdover.com

Air guns Of Arizona   http://www.airgunsofarizona.com

[boone123]

Well, that world got way bigger than I expected.  I didn't know!

[cfsharry]

ikoiko,
I would imagine filling the air canister with a hand pump is quite a job.  Would the air compressor I use for keeping my car tires inflated work?
What calibers are your rifles?  Do you hunt and if so at what range do you limit yourself to?
Do you know if the air gun development that has taken place is primarily European and if so is it because air guns are allowed and more readily available to civilians there as compared to conventional firearms?
I have been wanting another 6.5 Grendel, a custom rifle for long range competition, and saw the Evenex? Giant priced at nearly same level.  Still having trouble getting used to that price-point for an air gun.

[ikoiko]

ikoiko,
I would imagine filling the air canister with a hand pump is quite a job. to fill the canister would indeed be a job as it is an 88 cu ft tank. Rifle tanks are typically less than500 CC
Would the air compressor I use for keeping my car tires inflated work?

No,it has to be a multi stage pump to get to thousands of pounds psi. You can get a secondary compressor that will boost your car compressor, but there is a new high pressure compressor on the market that is close in price and is self contained. Still spendy though.

What calibers are your rifles?  Do you hunt and if so at what range do you limit yourself to?

My Pcp rifles : 3x .22, and one .25. I do not hunt, not much for killing, however, I reserve the right to inflict Capitol punishment on any vermin destroying garden or property. My little range is 50-53 yards. Just paced off, it is 50, parallax adjustment shows it slightly more. I could set up for 100yds, but it wouldn't be as convenient.

Do you know if the air gun development that has taken place is primarily European and if so is it because air guns are allowed and more readily available to civilians there as compared to conventional firearms?

Most of the development occurs outside of US. Occurs in Uk, Russia, Czech, Korea , China.
Even restrictions on air gun ownership and power. Laws vary with country. In general air guns are more available than firearms.

I have been wanting another 6.5 Grendel, a custom rifle for long range competition, and saw the Evenex? Giant priced at nearly same level.  Still having trouble getting used to that price-point for an air gun.

It is a big gulp to get set up. Kalibr Cricket is a very popular rifle in the bullpup crowd. Same forum as the link below. Can see $$ at http://www.wildwestairguns.com/Cricket-Rifle_p_19.html.
New version coming out "soon" in semiauto.

There is a new rifle out of China that is getting a very serious review on here. http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28791

Pm me your phone # if you are starting to feel the tug of addiction. Lots of ifs, ands , buts. And I can at least be some help in answering your questions, or point you in a direction.

[OV-1D]

  O.K. fellas I have a question that's been killing me for years , when I was a kid 50 years ago I had a Daisy b.b. rifle that had a hooded forward sight with interchangeable round leafs for it , does anyone know and please tell me the model of that piece .It's burning a whole in my brain and I can't find anything like it so far . Do to age I can't quite remember much else except it had a screw in loading section I think !! HELP ME PLEASE . 

[Javier C.]

Getting back to the original question, I favor CCI Mini-mags hollow points for all .22 LR applications, both rifle and pistol.  They are consistent and reliable in performance. 

In .22 Magnum firearms, I have Remington plastic boxes in 40 gr. PSP, and 33 gr. Accutip-V, but also bought bulk of Winchester 34 gr. Varmint HE JHP, so I'm using the Winchester ammo for both practice and carry purposes.  I get decent accuracy from my NAA minis using all of the mentioned factory rounds.

[gwbasley]

Gwbasley - For LR I carry CCI Velocitors or Aguila Interceptors. I do not do gelatin tests, but I have shot some ammo into various mediums, mostly books or book/foam layers to test penetration and expansion. The Velocitors and Interceptors perform best of LR rounds that I have tested. That comports well with the muzzle velocity tests that I have seen. Next choice would be CCI 40gr Minimags. I always choose 40gr over lighter, faster, bullets.

I have tried Aguila SSS rounds and the soft 60gr bullets do expand when fired into a hard medium like a book at a range of a few feet. In my tests they did not penetrate as deep as some other rounds. They also tend to tumble out of most guns (I have read that) and they certainly do out of the Minis that I tried them in. That probably will not affect accuracy or velocity enough to matter at a range of less than ten feet, but if you live in a cold climate where bad guys are likely to wear thick clothing it could make them less effective.

Overall, I like CCI better than other brands, though I am willing to let Aguila persuade me. Velocitors and Minimags are just good rounds.

Thanks...best answer!  I agree with you on 40gr rounds.  I just feel more confident with them for personal protection.  I have been carrying CCI Mini Mags and I will keep my eye out for Velocitors and Interceptors.  Are they both 40gr rounds?

[TwoGunJayne]

I'm leery about the Aguila offerings. The CCI standard and high velocity ammo is about the best you can get, it seems.

Velocitor or Stinger for mouseguns, and they're excellent performers from a long barrel as well.

My most carried .22 rimfire is CCI Maximag .22 mag FMJ (because I like penetration.) It has the capability for a full torso penetration shot unless heavy bone is encountered.

[Dinadan]

Gwbasley - Velocitors and Interceptors are both 40gr hollow-points. I do not think that LR hollow-point ammo is going to expand any more than lead-round-nose ammo out of a mini with two inch or shorter barrel. So the fact that they are hollow-points is irrelevant for me - it is the ballistics that count. And Velocitors and Interceptors seem to have the best for LR ammo.

TwoGunJayne could have a point about Aguila ammo. I have not shot very many of the Interceptors (I do not have very many) so I cannot speak about the reliability or the uniformity of the ammo. I have shot quite a bit of Aguila  LR Supercolibri and .38 Special ammo as well as some Subsonic Sniper. I do not recall any FTFs with any of it, and I think that I would, since I still remember FTFs with another brand.

[TwoGunJayne]

Perhaps I have had some bad fluke experiences with Aguila.

Firstly: I have shot a ton of Aguila caps. Really. It's just that my particular set of NAA doesn't seem to prefer them.

Aside from the Colibri and Super Colibri caps (which seem to work pretty well,) their "high velocity" offerings have left me wanting as far as a non-failure-to-fire situation. I've had case-head expansion to tie up on NAA revolvers with their "high velocity" offerings. .22 Aquila high velocity shorts in a .22 mag NAA Black Widow using a conversion cylinder? I'm just saying that I wouldn't do it for SD.

My best NAA ammos? Federal Automatch and Winchester Anything. I suppose this sums it up. I'd carry 5 of the LRN Winchester Wildcats before I carried 5 of the Aguila Super-Maximums.

[gwbasley]

It's not the HP aspect so much as 36gr v.s. 40gr...I feel like the 40gr projectile is less likely to get stopped by heavy clothing or belt buckles.  Lets face it, these are 7 yard guns and MV is not the issue.

[Dinadan]

Aside from the Colibri and Super Colibri caps (which seem to work pretty well,) their "high velocity" offerings have left me wanting as far as a non-failure-to-fire situation. I've had case-head expansion to tie up on NAA revolvers with their "high velocity" offerings. .22 Aquila high velocity shorts in a .22 mag NAA Black Widow using a conversion cylinder? I'm just saying that I wouldn't do it for SD.

I guess I need to run a couple of hundred Interceptors trough various Minis and see what happens. Like I said, I have not shot much of it - twenty to thirty rounds. I do not follow what you are saying about Aquila high velocity shorts. Interesting that you mention Winchester because the only FTFs that I recall having out of my minis have been magnum SuperX. Only two rounds out of a box of fifty. I had a couple of squib rounds with Remington shorts that actually stuck in the barrel, but no FTF!. I also had some problem with head expansion jamming  the cylinder, but I cannot recall which ammo did that. Has not happened in the past year or two. 

[TwoGunJayne]

I think the brass is a touch thin on Aguila's .22 short "high velocity ammo." I've had many problems with case head swell tying up the revolver in the smallest of guns. Larger revolvers don't seem to have the problem.

[Donzo]

I use Stingers and Yellow jackets for carry.  Federal value pack for practice (IMO the best inexpensive .22)  I just got 5,000 rounds of the value pack....after 14 months on back order with Cabelas!  I am restocked....for now.

They (cabelas) honored the price when I ordered of 19.99 per 525 - wish I had ordered 10,000!

[boone123]

Been there, done that!!!

[OV-1D]

Great price Donso that's the beauty of big chain outfits they stand on their backorder prices , good for you .

[heyjoe]

hey Boone, you arent being watched anymore.

[OV-1D]

 Hey thats right , that was fast Boone it must have been a short transgresson now justkeep an ear out and listen for any drones flying around .

[timkel]

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