Any California Folks Waiting For The 4" Ranger II?

[gebe]

As a Calif. resident, the only Ranger I'll be able to purchase will the 4" bbl. version. Any other folks from Calif. waiting for it's release?

All the NAA ads in the gun magazines state they're available but I'm sure they haven't been released yet. With all the furor over the shorter barrels, it may take awhile.

Anyone have any inside dope when they might be available? I'm definitely going for one when they are.

[MtGoat]

According to Sandy they will be available which is great news but "later"  didn't have a time commitment.

Pat

[Warthog]

Not waiting for the 4". maybe the 2.5 inch but that is a maybe.

[smokeless joe]

I find it sad that places like Kalifornia can set these laws that would restrict the sale of the smaller versions of this or any other firearm. Especially since either will do the same amount of damage. Not logical.

[redhawk4]

It really is a silly law when people carry and conceal guns everyday with barrels over 4" in length. Another feelgood law that does nothing what so ever to make anyone safer while at the same time inconveniencing countless gun owners and manufacturers.

With all respect to the good people of California, "the powers at be" would be better spending time on mental health issues, drug abuse and their sanctuary mentality if they really intended to make people safer, gun barrels under 4" are definitely even on the list of real world problems.

[theysayimnotme]

They don't have to be over any particular length. That is the approx. length required of the NAA revolvers so that they don't have to be tested & approved for sale. The current 1 1/8" barreled minis are on the list. NAA has not paid to have the 1 5/8" pistols put on the list so they cannot be sold. NAA could sell the shorter Sidewinder & Ranger II if they wanted to pay to have them approved.
Nobody has ever claimed any of our laws make any sense.

[c-camp]

I'm still hoping I can get a 22 short here in CA :/

[cedarview kid]

I'm still hoping I can get a 22 short here in CA :/

I suppose you could always shoot .22 shorts in a .22LR cylinder in a Minimaster! Just saying!

[gebe]

According to Sandy they will be available which is great news but "later"  didn't have a time commitment.

Pat

I agree but the new ads for the Ranger II seem to indicate that they are available now. I have plenty of minis and believe it or not, I prefer the 4" models. They are still extremely small and with the 4" bbl, you can actually hit something beyond belly distances.

[theysayimnotme]

I'm still hoping I can get a 22 short here in CA :/

What am I bid? If the price is right anything I own is for sale.

[ilex]

I live in California and I emailed Sandy last year when it was announced that they would re-introduce the Ranger.  I asked him about the 4" Ranger and how long it would come out after the the initial offering of the short barrel.  He replied that it would probably be 6 months or more after the short barrel version came out.  So patience patience patience.  I'm just glad they will be offering it.

[Kevin55]

California pretends the law is about safety, but it really is about making California an economically bad state to sell firearms. 

Each firearm model must be submitted for testing.  I believe the cost is about $5000.  Now here is the kicker, every model must be submitted and tested independently.  So for the 22mag, the 1-1/8" barrel model and 1-5/8" model require both be tested.  I guess one could argue that adding 1/2" of barrel changes the weight in a drop test, but it is really absured.  I believe different finishes need to be tested independently if they have a unique model number.

So as a result, the latest Glock generation 4 pistols are not available.
NAA only sells the 1-1/8" barreled 22lr and 22mag.
Some firearm companies like Kel Tec won't sell handguns in CA.

And the result of the crusade against Saturday Night Specials? 
We keep shooting ourselves.  We need to take a test on safety.
Gangs no longer shoot each other with a 22, 32, 380, or 38.  They moved up to the more lethal 9mm, 40, or 45 rounds.
Gun sales skyrocket at the hint of a ban.

Totally crazy, but being a Native Kommieforinan, it s the stupid government regulations I have come to expect.  If Nevada had access to the ocean, I'd move back.

[Kevin55]

I regret not buying a 22mag in 1-5/8" barrel length when I could.  I just can't see buying the 22mag with a 1-1/8" barrel since the ballistics aren't much better than the 22lr with the really short barrel.

I wish NAA would sell the Black Widow or a the 22mag with a 1-5/8" barrel or 2" barrel.

[theysayimnotme]

California pretends the law is about safety, but it really is about making California an economically bad state to sell firearms. 

Each firearm model must be submitted for testing.  I believe the cost is about $5000.  Now here is the kicker, every model must be submitted and tested independently.  So for the 22mag, the 1-1/8" barrel model and 1-5/8" model require both be tested.  I guess one could argue that adding 1/2" of barrel changes the weight in a drop test, but it is really absured.  I believe different finishes need to be tested independently if they have a unique model number.

So as a result, the latest Glock generation 4 pistols are not available.
NAA only sells the 1-1/8" barreled 22lr and 22mag.
Some firearm companies like Kel Tec won't sell handguns in CA.

And the result of the crusade against Saturday Night Specials? 
We keep shooting ourselves.  We need to take a test on safety.
Gangs no longer shoot each other with a 22, 32, 380, or 38.  They moved up to the more lethal 9mm, 40, or 45 rounds.
Gun sales skyrocket at the hint of a ban.

Totally crazy, but being a Native Kommieforinan, it s the stupid government regulations I have come to expect.  If Nevada had access to the ocean, I'd move back.

I remember when the pistol everyone most worried about was the RG 10. A .22 short that usually went off  flung a bullet in the general direction it was pointed. It was the poster boy for GCA 68. After that there was an arms race that introduced increasingly better handguns.
It should be noted that not only does each model have to be "tested" but they have to be retested on a periodic basis. Don't expect me to explain why they think the results would change.

[grayelky]

The irony of their surface attempt at making guns "safer" by making them harder to conceal: The longer barrels, with h a ncreased velocity, are likely "more" deadly!

Don't you just love liberals who nothing about what they are trying to accomplish? Or do they know exactly what their own goal is?

[Uncle_Lee]

The RG-10.
My very first revolver.
You buy what you can afford...

[Ruger]

The laws of California are not a surprise.  They match the kookiness of all of the other rules they have.  The country is tilted so all the fruits and nuts roll there.

[Rick_Jorgenson]

"I wish NAA would sell the Black Widow or a the 22mag with a 1-5/8" barrel or 2" barrel."

The Black Widow is a 2" Bbl.  &  the .22 Mag. is available 1-5/8" Bbl. 

Do you mean that a BW w/ 1-5/8" Bbl. ?
and a .22 Mag Frame with a 2" Bbl. ?   (hypothetically)  Would be good?

Maybe check with a gun smith it may be easy to cut down a BW to the 1-5/8" length.  I'm not a gun smith nor play one on TV. lol!!

[theysayimnotme]

The RG-10.
My very first revolver.
You buy what you can afford...

I got one brand new for $6 in 1961. Badly overpriced at that.

[Rick_Jorgenson]

The laws of California are not a surprise.  They match the kookiness of all of the other rules they have.  The country is tilted so all the fruits and nuts roll there.

What other rules are you referring?  "They match the kookiness of all of the other rules they have"  (please cite your source) we know about the gun laws, no need to include them.

"The country is tilted so all the fruits and nuts roll there"
Is the center of this country the "haven" of educated citizens?  Just being a smart a$$.  What is it that grinds other states citizens in such a bad manner?

I'm just wondering why so many people from the interior of the country feel this way?

This is not a challenge at all. I see this a lot, particularly on gun forums and would like to know more of why the rest of the country feels like this.  Or is it just their hate of CA gun laws?

I lived in CA for the first 47 years of my life. Go back as often as I can, vacation there as much as possible and will hopefully move back after family obligations are met in AZ, even if it is just during the summer.  I grew up on the coast in Ventura County and the desert only suits me only for short periods of time! 

Nobody has ever claimed any of our laws make any sense.

Very true!
Many laws only make sense to a few and many that are being made at this time will only benefit the wealthy. JMHO

It really is a silly law when people carry and conceal guns everyday with barrels over 4" in length. Another feelgood law that does nothing what so ever to make anyone safer while at the same time inconveniencing countless gun owners and manufacturers.

With all respect to the good people of California, "the powers at be" would be better spending time on mental health issues, drug abuse and their sanctuary mentality if they really intended to make people safer, gun barrels under 4" are definitely even on the list of real world problems.

Yes, Barrel length is a moot point compared to what the real problems are.  It's like someone worried about what color to paint the inside the house while the house is on fire.

Stopping funds for care of mentally ill as Governor of CA and then, as POTUS closing mental institutions in CA and other states, releasing thousands on the streets was the work of Ronald Reagan. While cutting the mental institutions funding he also cut housing funding for half-way houses at the same time.  This left many living on the streets to resort to crime and end up in prison instead of getting the help they needed.
I saw this in Ventura County when they closed Camarillo State Hospital.  There were many patients that had no family and when the 80 year old facility closed just walked down the street towards Oxnard & Ventura.  They wondered around getting hand outs where the could. Many were arrested several times for loitering just to get a meal and place to sleep in county jail for a day or two.

Ref: http://www.povertyinsights.org/2013/10/14/did-reagans-crazy-mental-health-policies-cause-todays-homelessness/

[Rick_Jorgenson]

BTW....

I'll buy every barrel length Ranger they produce!! lol!!

Rick

[Uncle_Lee]

The RG-10.
My very first revolver.
You buy what you can afford...

I got one brand new for $6 in 1961. Badly overpriced at that.

Same year I bought mine. But mine was around $10.00, like 9.95 or close to that.
Yes, way over priced.
But filled the need.

[Boisesteve]

Comments to Rick Jorgenson,
I was working in Emergency Services back in the 80's and somehow remember it as a combination of pressure from the ACLU suing the states to 'free' the institutionalized and from Big Pharma to get them on drugs once out. Problem is , they go off their meds when no one is there telling them they need to be taken, with resultant antisocial effects.
The CCW laws in Kalifornia, New York, Mass, and those likeminded states effectively limits my travels to the 37-someodd states that reciprocate with ID. Fine with me, too. Got no desire to go where I'm not welcome.
Be well, Steve in Boise

[LHB]

As I remember here in Illinois, it was the ACLU demanding these "poor non-criminal prisoners" be set free.  They even had a hissy fit when the state kept one institution for the criminally insane, but had to admit that they should not be released onto the public.

[OV-1D]

  Wish NAA came out with four inch Ranger II barrels first or longer .

[theysayimnotme]

The laws of California are not a surprise.  They match the kookiness of all of the other rules they have.  The country is tilted so all the fruits and nuts roll there.

What other rules are you referring?  "They match the kookiness of all of the other rules they have"  (please cite your source) we know about the gun laws, no need to include them.
[/quote]

How about buying a car out of state? For a Kalifornia resident to register a vehicle in Kalifornia that they buy out of state it has to have had at least a certain number of thousands of miles on it. For example we can't buy a new or used car or motorcycle in Nevada & register it here unless it had at least that many miles on it.
The effect is that we wind up paying much more for a new motorcycle than do people in the free states. We pay full MSRP plus ADD (added dealer markup) plus high document fees plus high shipping charges & of course license & sales tax.

Don't get me started on how they jack up the prices for new houses at the same time they weep copious tears about high rents & the homeless.

[RogueTS1]

California, a great place to visit but I would not ever want to live there; if only for the ridiculous gun laws. As for funding for homeless people; that is a socialistic way of thinking. Who has to pay the never ending and increasing funding for these people? Those actually paying taxes. It is not like the American tax payer is not paying enough let alone being tasked with having to pay more for somebody else's housing and feeding costs.

[Surculus]

I find it sad that places like Kalifornia can set these laws that would restrict the sale of the smaller versions of this or any other firearm. Especially since either will do the same amount of damage. Not logical.

In the case of the PRK, it's a confluence of unintended consequences: a decade or so past, the inhabitants in the state asylum, er, "capitol" of Sacramento decided that firearms would have to have microstamping to be deemed "safe" on the CA DOJ roster of handguns approved for sale, but they gave everyone a waiver since there was only one source [patent holder] and even that patent holder admitted the technology just wasn't ready for prime time [yet.] Then along around 2012, our then-freshly minted state AG [now our federal senator, heaven help us!] Kamala Harris unilaterally decided that since the patent was due to expire, the waiver was waived, and henceforth all handguns submitted for "new" testing for addition to the DOJ safe roster ["new" is in quotes since our august majesties, in their unassailable position of power, decided that handguns once declared safe still needed regular retesting every 5 years, because, you know, the technology might have changed, the steel used to make them may have gone all stale & soft, yada yada yada...] would have to have microstamping of the cases built in. So we've been losing handguns off the DOJ roster every year now, and in fact, just about everything Ruger still had on the roster just expired a few days ago on Jan 1, '18 afaict. Anyhow, a few years after the DOJ roster was 1st set up, the Olympic shooters made the point that there were so few of their particular breed that it made no monetary sense for the manufacturers to submit their guns for testing [for which the PRK charge$ a pretty hefty fee, let me a$$ure you!] and managed to ram-rod an exemption thru. The CAS folks went along for the ride, so single-action revolvers with barrels >4" got a bye as well, and since they're categorically "exempt" from needing to be tested for "safety," they don't need any microstamping either [technically, all revolvers should be exempt from that, since they don't throw their empties around, but nothing those clowns in Sacto. ever has to make any sense...]

So at any rate, those of us trapped [for the time being! Heh heh heh...] behind the Granola Curtain are quite excited for the eventual release of the 4" Ranger IIs. Fortunately, I stocked up on ammo before the new record-keeping (& ban on mail-order purchase] restrictions went into effect, so I can still feed it when the exempt Ranger II finally makes it here.

[theysayimnotme]

The exemption for Olympic pistols refers to those that have a detachable  magazine forward of the trigger. All other such pistols are considered to fall under the assault weapons category. The Charter Arms explorer pistol comes under that designation.

[OV-1D]

 I want even a longer barreled like six or maybe ten inch lengths , those I'll buy immediately upon availability . HURRY UP SANDY ITS THE NEW YEAR TO STEP OUT ON THE WILD SIDE . 

[Kevin55]

"I wish NAA would sell the Black Widow or a the 22mag with a 1-5/8" barrel or 2" barrel."

The Black Widow is a 2" Bbl.  &  the .22 Mag. is available 1-5/8" Bbl. 

Do you mean that a BW w/ 1-5/8" Bbl. ?
and a .22 Mag Frame with a 2" Bbl. ?   (hypothetically)  Would be good?

Maybe check with a gun smith it may be easy to cut down a BW to the 1-5/8" length.  I'm not a gun smith nor play one on TV. lol!!

Cutting down a barrel can be a risky proposition. See Ruby Ridge. Not going to risk it.

If I could, I'd buy a 22mag in 1-1/8" and have NAA put on a longer 2" barrel, but I'm sure CA would find a reason that I am in violation of their safety test due to the extra weight.