I was surfing and found this old question by Uncle Lee, asking my age.  I may be the oldest person on this forum.   I am 81. Three months from 82.  And yes, I can still drive and shoot.  If anyone is older, let me know. 

I assume the cylinder is completely clean of any dirt.  Don't think it is an ammo FTF problem.  Cock and let the hammer down (unloaded of course, I do it with the cylinder out) slowly and see if it is smooth into each battery.  If not, the factory can fix it best.  My Ranger II needed this many times and finally smoothed up. 

I had a Bond Arms in .357.  Probably one of the best finished out handguns I ever saw.  Couldn't hit the side of a barn at 7 yards with it. (Maybe the roof if I was inside the barn) But then, I have never found a derringer I could hit with. They are seemingly accurate enough for Cowboy Action Shooting.  Terrible trigger.  Gun too heavy.  Could get off 6 shots, note I said SIX shots faster than I could with my B/W.  Very fast method of reloading with practice, no doubt with practice, three times as fast as a standard mini.  Can choose several center fire calibers of ammo.  It is indeed, the Rolls Royce of the derringers and the price for the better finished ones prove it.  Too many other guns on the market to consider another one.

Actually Bill, I have owned both, the P32 and Guardian .32.  It was many years ago, frankly, I don't remember much about either of them, started carrying the NAA revolvers which I do today.  I am considering the P32 over the Guardian.  I was never that good of shot with either of them but I don't really wish to keep carrying 2 guns. Any shooting I do will have to be a very close range anyway.   The P32, like the Guardian is not found in many stores around here, they have all gone to the mini 1911 look alikes and I have a thing with cocked and locked.  My neighbor has packed a P32 for over 20 years now I guess.  Still works, his daily carry. But, the Guardian is so much better looking.  Well, I got away from the spirit of this thread and for that I apologize.  Thanks for the answers.

Trying to stay with in this thread's subject, a question.  How strong is the slide on the Guardians to cock?  Example, do any of you Guardian owners have a smaller weaker wife or do any of you have aged and weaker hands grip?  I am considering a .32 ACP Guardian and with my advanced age and much weaker grip I was wondering.  I note the weight of a Guardian (in .32 cal.) is around the same weight of what I carry now, a B/W orRanger II with a second gun, a Pug.  Thinking with a Guardian, I could go back to only packing one gun.  Yeah, I know try one at my nearest dealer, the only way I will find one at a dealer here if to order it.  Then it is mine.  An old saying in Austin, Texas, "We don't have it, but we can order it." 

Thanks guys, some days my head is on straight, other days I have to turn my cap before it will go on. 

I have for confused before on this subject.  That is the number of posts shown for an indivivusl.   My post numbers have shown to be 298 on at least 4 of my previous posts.  What am I missing?

All the above is sound info and advice.  I would add, the ammo you carry for everyday defense, depending on how carried should be replaced once in a while, a price we pay for carrying a rimfire.  I can offer no guide lines for how often.  It would depend on type of carry, humid or dry, and so on.  I try to rotate my carry rounds, about 25, every 6 months.  Thats one box a year.  Keep the rotated ammo in a separate container marked for range use only.   A  FTF on the range should not prove fatal. 

Glad Uncle Lee feels safe with a .22 Mag.  I don't.   Nor do I feel safe with a .357, or a .45 ACP.  I do feel protected with a 12 Ga. 870 pump, however.  I no longer have a 12 Gauge, and  seldom have a .357 or .45 except out of reach in my home safe.  The main wording is "out of reach".   So, I will simply say I am comfortable with my .22 MAG's.

As usual, The BigBird is right on.  I get reminded daily that only the gun (yes in the holster) should be the only thing taking up a pocket. (As is in the right hand pocket.)  I carry my Pug in my left jeans pocket in a small wrap holster that I made.  No photo, Uncle Lee, I don't anyone to see my un-handy work.  I also have my car/house/whatever keys in that pocket.  I have got the keys on top of the holster during  carry and it would be pure folly to try to get the gun in a hurry.  Of course, the Pug is only for a NY reload so unlikely I will need it in a hurry.  If I have not found cover before I need the reload, my bad.

Looking at all angles, NAA has made it difficult to choose the best EDC.   For myself, anything shorter than a 1 1/2 barrel is a waste of time.  Anything longer than a 2" barrel cuts down good concealment.  My thoughts are between the 2" B/W and the 1 1/2"  Ranger II.  Both hide well, R II is faster reloading.  No doubt, my B/W is the most accurate and should have slightly better ballistics.  Having been shot at, I would say forget a fast enough reload with either gun in combat.  That's why I also carry the Pug.  I think NAA would have been much better off to make the Ranger II in a 2" version to start with and put a decent front sight on it.  While I am packing my R II (and Pug) for EDC at this time, I keep having a nagging thought that the 2 " B/W may be still be the best all around carry piece in the entire NAA stable.   

Some weeks ago, I talked to Rick at Desert Leather and ordered  a pocket holster for my "starting to carry" Ranger II.  Never thought about a reload with my B/W. At first, I told him I  carry a New York reload (Pug) and really didn't want the 5 round pouch. I figure a NY Reload is the only "make sense" way to get off more than 5 round from packing a mini during a disagreement.   He "sort of" talked me into it and I am glad he did.  Not only do I have spare ammo, but it gives me a "hook" to pull the Ranger as I draw it from my pocket.  So, yes, I carry spare ammo.   

Looks like the Ranger II is catching on.  I just started to carry mine as a EDC, putting my B/W of many years out to pasture.  Not carrying my Pug as often for a backup.  While I doubt any chance of a reload during a disagreement, I still pack the Pug at times.  I didn't like the Rnger when I started out with it before Xmas.  Now, with no FTF's or light primers, I have more faith in it.  For the past few months, I have "slowly" rotated the action letting the hammer down several times a day and the gun has smoothed up to almost the smoothness of my 9 year old B/W.  (have also done that with the 8 month old Pug with similar results.)  With practice, I can now get to the Ranger hammer without hitting the locking latch.  I also have found to get the hammer in the safety notch, I simply have the action open, line up the safety notch with the half cocked hammer and close the action while holding the cylinder in place.  I close the action, then a slight tug and pull of the trigger still holding the cylinder in place,  I let the hammer into the safety notch perfectly every time.  Works for me. Still don't have the accuracy of my B/W, but with my age and eyes, any disagreement needs to be up close and personal anyway.

I would guess by your question, you are not all that familiar with guns.  Nothing implied.  On changing to another cylinder, timing could be off, doesn't fit properly, doesn't come into proper battery.  I have checked out a couple of cylinders in other minis, both worked OK.   These minis are very close on fitting.  Some private gun smiths know how to tinker with them, and some "think" they know how.   In your case, I would go with BJ, contact NAA.  They will say send it in as your term "any cylinder' can cover a lot of territory and that would be good advice. BTW, welcome.

Hi and welcome.  I really never think about a mini getting to be worth more.  My family will end up with whatever I have and leave.  Have already gave a couple to them. Still carry one that is 9 years old.  Keep both of them, later if you get rid of one, you will soon say, "why did I do that?".

I think I am making a mistake.  I just looked at the parts list, seems the barrel is part of the frame so can't just changed barrels.  Guess my memory of the Guardians is as old as I am.  If I am reading it correctly, the only way would be to have the 25 NAA system is bored to a .32 caliber.  If I had a .25 NAA caliber weapon, I would call NAA, talk to one of their smiths re the feasibility of boring it to .32.  The parts list indicates the recoil springs to be the same for both calibers.  OK, I'm out of this thread.

While I have kept up with this thread, I remember I worked for a gun store when the .25 NAA came out out.  I thought it was a great round, but didn't think it wouldn't last. OK, the Guadians are still great, just worthless W/O ammo.  NAA made a lemon for sales.  I agree with Bearcat, shouldn't be a major undertaking to turn it into a .32 ACP.  Really wonder re the recoil springs? Send in the old barrel, re bore and rifle, should be a piece of cake.  Overall length of round ?, if no change, same magazine should work.  If enough present owners called/wrote NAA, they might find the company to do the work.  A few bucks would be worth getting your Guardian back in use.  Just saying....

Before I got too excited re a .22 LR cylinder for a Ranger II, I would consider how much shooting I will be doing.  Those cylinders are expensive + shipping.  With me, I don't get the conversations,  However, I may be an exception as I also have a Ruger Single Nine (only made in Mag.) and a Henry lever action in the .22 Mag. caliber.  I change my "carry" ammo out fairly often and throw the "old" ammo in a box.  It gets shot up at my next range time. 

Ordered my Ranger II holster from Rick on the Third, got it today on the 8th.  Plain black pocket type with ammo pouch.   As he told me it could be 2 weeks to ship, probably had it in stock.   Compared it with my B/W holster from a maker long out of business.  First, the 5 round ammo attachment actually worked.  I had told Rick I really didn't care if it had the extra ammo attachment or not. Now I am glad it's got it.    Could not get all 5 rounds in the older holster.  The Desert Holster fit the gun right off.  Covered the hammer and trigger just as it should.  Desert/L  did it's homework  on this holster and I will start packing it tomorrow.  Will still carry my Pug as backup till I start to trust the Ranger more.  Will probably order one for my Pug as soon as I pay for this one.

A guess and speaking for myself.  Both guns are strictly pocket carry and no extra budge.  While it don't seem like much, a longer mag does take up more space.  A spare mag in a different pocket should be plenty for most social problems.  Any longer mag seems too much for me.

You mention "light strikes".  Would all you Ranger II users look at the left side (at least on mine) of the hammer, the small part that actually contacts the primer edge when fired.  (Sorry, Uncle Ed, it is too light on the piece to get a photo).  There is a slight drag mark on mine where it is contacting the side of the frame as it rides to the strike zone.  When I let the hammer down easy, I can feel a drag at that point.  That part of the hammer has a rough finish.  For whatever amount, I would have to guess that slows down the hammer fall and I have had some FTF's.  I can get to that area and smooth that rough part a little.  My question,  would that be a problem with my warranty?  Seems like a simple job to save money and a trip back to the factory.  Yes, I have cycled the action many times, still feel a drag.

Having never held/seen a Ranger One in person, I can only go by the photos.  The locking device "looks" on the "one" as if you pull up on the rear of the device to unlock the barrel/cylinder.  On my "two", you pull back on the device to unlock.  There is no doubt that the "one" has a better device if I am correct on this.  I have practiced over and over cocking the "two" in a hurry and my fat thumb sometimes hits the unlocking device.  However, I can see how the "one" would be more expensive to make.  So, as I can't afford a "one", I will simply keep with practice. As I wouldn't trade my B/W for a Ranger, I simply have one of each.  P.S. I own 2 Honda's, an older CRV and a new HRV, so don't need a Mercedes. 

Maybe someone can give me an idea of how long it takes to get a holster from Desert Leather.  I need one for my Ranger II and have given all my leather making equipment away.  And, my holsters work but are not pretty.

I will simply agree it is not good for the weapon and will lead to problems. 

Not sure anyone can answer this.  Are all bugs ever out?  My Ranger II has been very dependable.  I am still trying to like the gun.  Still EDC my B/W and Pug.  I often cock and release the hammer (Don't let it fall) to try to smooth the action up.  I feel the hammer design brings the cocking thumb too close to the unlocking device. However, a taller hammer spur could also be a problem.  I have had the Ranger for 6 months and still not impressed with it.  But I am working with it.  So, for my Ranger, I must say the bugs regarding  dependability are pretty well worked out of it.  Still having my own problems with design bugs.  I paid too much money for it, so will not get rid of it.  Maybe another 6 months, I may love it. 

I was working at a gun shop when the 380 Guardians came out, got a good discount on what I bought.  As I remember, the last round would stovepipe indicating an empty mag as the slide would not lock back on the last round.  The gun was built like a Sherman tank, probably would have lasted forever, but, like a Sherman, it was heavy.  Got rid of it in favor of a K-T P32 which finally fell to a series of Mini revolvers.  Tried many .32 and .380's, kept going back to the revolvers where I've been for the past 10 years.

Thanks for the info.  My LGS gets his guns thru another jobber (if that is the right word) who gets them from ??   I know very little about the way guns get to a LGS, even tho I worked part time for one a few years when I retired.  It seems the upper states get new models ahead of lower states from reading various forums. 

This may sound odd, but does anyone know if the "B/W PVD (all black) is actually getting shipped yet?  I want go be sure before I order from my LGS.  If I order now and it is not already shipping, with my LGS the order could well be simply put aside.  I have not seen any mention on the forum of one being received so I wonder if this is a "hurry up and wait" situation.  I do not order thru any of the on line dealers, only my LGS. 

Yeah Pietro, i bought a new Vaquero in that time zone, didn't know it had the key lock till I got it home  and saw the keys in the box. DUH!  I took it back. I thought Ruger had learned it's lesson and recently went to get me a LC380. DUH again!  Any key lock is a deal breaker for me.   I consider a key lock the perfect solution to a problem that doesn't exist.  i Don't need a lock on a gun I am packing and all my other guns are in a BIG safe.

If I had one, and, not so old and set in my ways, I would probably carry one cocked and locked.  However, I have a severe mind set.  I can't even carry a 1911 cocked and locked.  So, I carry revolvers. I have never heard of a Baby Browning going off by accident.  It is one fine gun. 

As TG says, same for my B/W, Ranger II,  and Pug.  Not what it is on my Smiths, but they are larger calibers.  I would think all NAA's are pretty much the same.

Welcome, 2 at the same time, wow.  Now you will probably start looking at your next one.   I gave my grandson a B/W convertible upon his birthday and receiving his concealed carry license.  Also one to my son for Xmas.   He has had his license for years.   They make great presents. 

You have discovered my secret to buying 2 of the same model gun.  Parts are expensive and many only available by sending the gun in.  Also, many gun companies don't seem to worry about how long they take to get around to fixing their wares. (NAA and Ruger are exceptions.)  Some parts are no longer available.  My S&W 5906 and Colt Detective Special example.  It's usually cheaper to buy a used gun of the same model to insure always having spare parts. 

Barry, you only missed the propaganda the industry is pushing.  Since Bill Clinton pushed S&W into putting a key hole in the side of their guns, others have joined some kind of club to ruin otherwise fine weapons.  Ruger, in some models (LC380) have joined the key lock crowd, Glock always had a gimmick for  a "safety", which it is not.  I do not own nor will I buy a gun with these attempts to make a politically correct firearm.  If all gun owners would write the makers and tell them they bought a different make firearm due to these attempts to make the liberal politicians happy, they might go back to tried and proven methods.

This question keeps coming up.  I have no doubt the cocking and trigger pull is harder than it use to be.  I "think" my B/W is 9 years old.  I have bought a couple of newer (within 2 years) Widows, a Pug, and a Ranger II for keepers and presents.    All have harder hammer cocking and trigger pull.  As often as this comes up, I don't know if an actual NAA rep has answered this question, if so, I missed it.  I would hope, if not, an actual rep from NAA would answer one of these posts, even on the "Soapbox"..